How To Transfer Law Schools?
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What Is a Law School Transfer? – In most cases, a law school transfer takes place after your 1L year of law school. After you complete your first year at one law school, earn the foundational credits that are comparable among most law schools, and then transfer to a different law school for your remaining 2 years.
Which law schools accept the most transfers?
TaxProf Blog: Organ: The 2021 Law School Transfer Market Wednesday, December 22, 2021 This blog posting updates my blog postings over the last several years regarding what we know about the transfer market (,,,, ). With the ABA’s posting of the, we now have several years of more detailed transfer data from which to glean insights about the transfer market among law schools.
- Numbers of Transfers and Percentage of Transfers Decline As shown in Table 1 below, the number of transfer students received by law schools in 2021 decreased to 1375 (3.6%).
- For the last several years, the transfer market has been shrinking, having declined from 5.5% in 2014, to 4.7% in 2016, to 4.0% in 2018, and now 3.6% in 2021.
Aside from a slight bump in 2017, and another bump last year, this drop reflects a continuation of a gradual decline in transfers over the last several years – from more than 2100 to less than 1400 (down one-third) and from 5.5% to 3.6% (also down one-third).
2014 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | 2020 | 2 021 | |
Number of Transfers | 2187 | 1979 | 1749 | 1797 | 1494 | 1294 | 1612 | 1375 |
Previous Year First Year Enrollment | 39,800 | 38,000 | 37,100 | 37,100 | 37,300 | 38,400 | 38,500 | 38,200 |
% of Previous First-Year Total | 5.5% | 5.2% | 4.7% | 4.8% | 4.0% | 3.4% | 4.2% | 3.6% |
After an increase in transfers in 2020, we see a decline again in 2021 to 1375 and 3.6% – slightly above where things were in the summer of 2019 but lower than any of the preceding five years. This may partly be attributable to the larger and stronger first-year applicant pool for fall 2021, which may have enabled some law schools both to grow the size of their first-year class while simultaneously increasing their median LSAT.
With a larger group of first-year students anticipated to be joining the law school this fall, some schools may have dialed back their transfer classes a little bit. On the other hand, Georgetown remains right where it has been historically in terms of the number of transfers, while Harvard showed its third increase in transfers in as many years, having gone from 32, to 43, to 65, to 71.
This growth may be a function of the smaller first year class Harvard took in 2020 (501 – down from a fairly consistent 560 in the preceding years). Knowing that it would be welcoming a smaller class in 2020, I suspect Harvard made a conscious decision to welcome more transfers in 2020 and in 2021 to counterbalance the loss of revenue from a smaller first-year class.
SOME LAW SCHOOLS CONTINUE TO DOMINATE THE TRANSFER MARKET Table 2 lists the top 15 law schools participating in the transfer market in descending order in Summer 2018 (fall 2017 entering class), Summer 2019 (fall 2018 entering class), Summer 2020 (fall 2019 entering class), and Summer 2021 (fall 2020 entering class).
(Note that in Table 2 and in Table 4, the “repeat players” are bolded – those schools in the top 15 for all four years are in black, those schools in the top 15 for three of the four years are in blue,) Seven of the top 15 for 2021 have been on the list for the largest number of transfers all four years, with two having been on the list for three of the four years (including 2021), and five having been on the list two of the four years (including 2021).
The only newcomer to the list in 2021 is Washburn.) Notably, three law school that had been regulars in the three previous years did not make the list of the top 15 for 2021 – NYU, Cal Berkeley, and Loyola Marymount. Table 2 also shows that for 2021, the concentration of transfers in the top 15 law schools for transfers declined, dropping from 50% in 2020 to 43% in 2021.
TABLE 2 – Largest Law Schools by Number of Transfers from 2018-2021
School | # in 2018 | School | # in 2019 | School | # in 2020 | School | # in 2021 |
Georgetown | 105 | Georgetown | 105 | Georgetown | 109 | Georgetown | 104 |
NYU | 58 | GWU | 74 | Idaho | 105 | Harvard | 71 |
Arizona State | 50 | NYU | 54 | GWU | 96 | GWU | 64 |
Emory | 42 | Columbia | 44 | Harvard | 65 | Arizona State | 43 |
Cal. Berkeley | 36 | Harvard | 43 | NYU | 53 | Florida State | 37 |
Columbia | 35 | Loyola-LA | 41 | Florida | 51 | Northwestern | 34 |
Loyola-LA | 34 | Florida | 40 | Columbia | 48 | Columbia | 31 |
Northwestern | 33 | Northwestern | 34 | Cal. Berkeley | 43 | George Mason | 29 |
Harvard | 32 | UCLA | 34 | UCLA | 39 | Miami | 28 |
UCLA | 31 | Chicago | 27 | Florida State | 38 | Washburn | 28 |
GWU | 31 | Hofstra | 26 | Northwestern | 36 | Chicago | 26 |
North Dakota | 28 | UNLV | 24 | Miami | 31 | Florida | 25 |
Florida | 27 | Cal. Berkeley | 24 | George Mason | 30 | UCLA | 24 |
Houston | 25 | Arizona St. | 22 | Loyola-LA | 30 | Rutgers | 24 |
Hofstra | 24 | Rutgers | 21 | Chicago | 28 | Houston | 23 |
Total | 591 | 613 | 801 | 591 | |||
Percentage | 40% | 47% | 50% | 43% |
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2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | 2020 | 2021 | |
Total Transfers | 2438 | 2501 | 2187 | 1979 | 1749 | 1797 | 1494 | 1294 | 1621 | 1375 |
Transfers to 10 Law Schools with Most Transfers | 587 | 724 | 625 | 623 | 583 | 557 | 456 | 496 | 646 | 496 |
Transfers to 10 Law Schools with Most Transfers as % of Total Transfers | 24% | 29% | 29% | 32% | 33% | 31% | 31% | 38% | 40% | 36% |
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In terms of law schools with the highest percentage of transfers in as a percentage of their previous year’s first-year class, as shown below in Table 4, only four law schools have been on the list each of the last four years – Chicago, Georgetown, Northwestern and UNLV.
Five law schools have been on the list three times in the last four years – Arizona State, Florida, Florida International, Florida State, and George Washington (including 2021). There also are four law schools that have been on the list in two of the last four years (including 2021) – Emory, George Mason, Harvard, and Houston.
The number of law schools welcoming transfers representing 20% or more of their first-year class has fallen from nine in 2013 (not shown), to six in 2014 (not shown), to four in 2017 (two of which were in excess of 50%), two in 2018, none in 2019, four again in 2020 (with Idaho leading the way at 83%) and now two in 2021.
School | 2018% | School | 2019% | School | 2020 % | School | 2021 % |
North Dakota | 39 | Georgetown | 18 | Idaho | 83 | Washburn | 25 |
Arizona State | 23 | Florida | 16 | Florida | 30 | Florida State | 22 |
Georgetown | 18 | UNLV | 15 | George Mason | 22 | George Mason | 19 |
Emory | 18 | Chicago | 14 | Florida State | 20 | Arizona State | 18 |
Northwestern | 15 | Northwestern | 14 | Georgetown | 19 | UNLV | 18 |
NYU | 14 | GWU | 13 | GWU | 19 | Georgetown | 17 |
UNLV | 13 | Loyola-LA | 13 | Northwestern | 15 | Harvard | 14 |
Mercer | 12 | NYU | 12 | Chicago | 14 | Chicago | 14 |
Cal-Berkeley | 12 | UCLA | 11 | UNLV | 14 | Northwestern | 14 |
Houston | 11 | Columbia | 11 | Columbia | 13 | Florida Int’l | 13 |
UCLA | 11 | Hofstra | 10 | Florida Int’l | 13 | Vanderbilt | 13 |
Loyola-LA | 10 | Florida Int’l | 10 | Cal-Berkeley | 13 | Florida | 12 |
Florida St. | 10 | Pepperdine | 9 | Western State | 13 | GWU | 12 |
Hofstra | 10 | Arizona State | 8 | UCLA | 13 | Houston | 10 |
Chicago | 9.6 | Harvard | 8 | NYU | 12 | Emory | 9 |
NATIONAL AND REGIONAL MARKETS – Starting in December 2014, the ABA Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar began collecting and requiring law schools with 12 or more transfers in to report not only the number of students who have transferred in, but also the law schools from which they came (indicating the number from each law school).
In addition, the law schools with 12 or more transfers in had to report the 75%, 50% and 25% first-year, law school GPAs of the students who transferred in. This allows one to look at where students are coming from and are going to and to look at the first-year GPA profile of students transferring in to different law schools.
Table 5 focuses on six of the seven law schools that have been among the top-15 in terms of transfers in for each of the last four years, presented in descending US News rank. (Columbia is excluded here because its list of transfers by school (76) far exceeds the number of transfers in it welcomed (31).) Table 5 indicates the extent to which these six law schools were attracting transfers from their geographic region and also identifies the law school that provided the largest number of transfers to each listed law school in 2021 as well as the percentage of transfers that came from that school.
School | Total # of Transfers 19/20/21 | Reg. | Regional # of Transfers 19/20/21 | Regional % of Transfers 19/20/21 | School from Which Largest Number of Transfers Came in 2021 | #/% of Transfers from Largest School 2021 |
Harvard | 43/65/71 | NE | 11/17/19 | 26/26/27 | George Mason | 7/10% |
Northwestern | 34/36/34 | MW | 23/18/17 | 68/50/50 | DePaul/UIC John Marshall | 5/15% |
Georgetown | 105/109/104 | Mid-Atl | 51/37/34 | 49/34/33 | American | 10/10% |
UCLA | 34/39/24 | CA | 22/25/18 | 65/64/75 | UC Hastings/UC Irvine | 4/17% |
GWU | 74/95/64 | Mid-Atl | 40/48/19 | 54/51/30 | American/Maryland | 4/6% |
Florida | 40/51/25 | SE | 31/41/19 | 78/80/76 | Stetson | 6/24% |
For these six law schools, three (Northwestern, UCLA, and Florida) obtained most of their transfers (50% or more) from within the geographic region within which the law school is located during each of the last three years. On the other hand, two law schools (Harvard and Georgetown) had 49% or fewer of their transfers from within the region in which the law school is located in each of the last three years.
George Washington had received more than 50% of its transfers from within the Mid-Atlantic region in 2019 and 2020 but dropped to just 30% from the Mid-Atlantic region in 2021. Moreover, three of the six law schools had a significant percentage (more than 15%) of their transfers in from one or two particular feeder schools.
For Florida, 24% of its transfers came from Stetson. For UCLA, 17% of its transfers came from UC Hastings and from UC Irvine. For Northwestern, 15% of its transfers came from DePaul and UIC John Marshall. VARIED QUALITY OF THE TRANSFER POOL Table 6 below shows the tiers of law schools from which these six largest law schools in the transfer market for each of the last four years received their transfer students.
- Four of the six law schools that consistently have high numbers of transfers in (five of seven including Columbia) are ranked in the top 15 in US News, while the other two are ranked in the top 30.
- Three of the six law schools had 85% or more of their transfers from law schools ranked between 1 and 100 in the US News rankings – Harvard, Georgetown and UCLA (with Harvard and UCLA having 75% or more from top-50 law schools).
Two additional schools, George Washington and Northwestern, had between 60% and 70% of their transfers from law schools ranked between 1 and 100. The remaining law school, Florida, had 76% of its transfer students from law schools ranked 101 or lower.
- TABLE 6 – Percentage of Transfers from Different Tiers of School(s) for 2019, 2020 and 2021 at the Six Law Schools Among the Top-15 for Transfers in 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021
- ( Bolded data indicates the modal percentage response for each law school.)
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# of Trans 19/20/21 - Top 50
- # – %
- 19/20/21
- 51-100
- # – %
- 19/20/21
- 101-200
- # – %
- 19/20/21
Harvard 43/65/71 28/56/59 65/86/83 11/9/12 26/14/17 4/0/0 9/0/0 Northwestern 34/36/34 13/14/13 38/39/38 13/11/8 38 /31/24 8/11/13 24/31 /38 Georgetown 105/109/104 29/16/51 28/15/ 49 52/46/37 49 /42/36 24/47/16 23/ 43 /15 UCLA 34/39/24 13/19/18 38/ 49/75 17/19/4 50/49/ 17 4/1/2 12/2/8 GWU 74/95/64 9/21/17 12/22/27 38/46/27 51/48/42 27/28/20 37/29/31 Florida 40/51/25 2/4/1 5/8/4 3/7/5 8/14/20 35/40/19 88/78/76 /li>
Table 7 below highlights the reported GPAs of transfers in for these six law schools. In looking at Table 7, one quickly sees that of the four law schools ranked in the US News top-15, only one – Harvard – has a 50th GPA for transfers in 2021 that above 3.9, and a 25th GPA of 3.85 and above.
Harvard also is accepting most of its transfers in from top-50 law schools, making it clear that it is accepting transfers in who could have been admitted to Harvard in the first instance. The other three top-15 law schools – Northwestern, Georgetown and UCLA – are a step below in terms of the credentials of their transfers, with 50th GPAs of between 3.71 and 3.81 (below the 25 th GPA for Harvard) and with 25th GPAs of between 3.60 and 3.67.
Of this group, only UCLA (75%) is taking most of its transfers from top-50 law schools, so the transfers it is accepting might be people it would have admitted in the first instance. But for Georgetown and Northwestern, with a majority of their transfers coming from law schools ranked outside the top 50, many of these transfer students may not have had the credentials to be admitted as first-year students.
Once you drop out of the top-15, the other two law schools have a 50th GPA that drops below 3.5, and a 25th GPA that drops below 3.4, with the majority of these transfers coming from law schools ranked 51-100 for George Washington and ranked 101-200 for Florida. These law schools clearly are welcoming a number of transfer students whose entering credentials almost certainly were sufficiently distinct from each of those law schools’ entering class credentials that the transfer students they are admitting would not have been admitted as first-year students in the prior year.
(That said, the three-year trend generally shows improvement in GPA at all three measures – 75th/50th/25th– for most of these law schools, suggesting that these law schools might be paying more attention to trying to admit more qualified transfer applicants who are very likely to find success at their new law school.) TABLE 7 – First-Year Law School 75th/50th/25th GPA of Transfers in 2019, 2020 and 2021 at the Six Law Schools among the Top-15 for Transfers in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021
School | GPA 75th | GPA 50th | GPA 25th |
19/20/21 | 19/20/21 | 19/20/21 | |
Harvard | 4.02/4.0/4.0 | 3.95/3.95/3.97 | 3.89/3.82/3.88 |
Northwestern | 3.76/3.81/3.83 | 3.63/3.71/3.73 | 3.48/3.58/3.66 |
Georgetown | 3.77/3.85/3.82 | 3.67/3.71/3.71 | 3.56/3.62/3.60 |
UCLA | 3.76/3.66/3.97 | 3.63/3.59/3.81 | 3.56/3.47/3.67 |
GWU | 3.41/3.47/3.62 | 3.23/3.33/3.46 | 3.11/3.18/3.38 |
Florida | 3.52/3.60/3.69 | 3.27/3.36/3.49 | 3.13/3.25/3.27 |
STILL MANY UNKNOWNS As I have noted for the last few years, these more detailed transfer data should be very helpful to prospective law students and pre-law advisors, and to current law students who are considering transferring. These data give them a better idea of what transfer opportunities might be available depending upon where they go to law school (or are presently enrolled as a first-year student).
Even with this more granular data now available, however, there still are a significant number of unknowns relating to transfer students, particularly regarding gender and ethnicity of transfer students and regarding performance of transfers students at their new law school (both academically and in terms of bar passage and employment).
These are questions for which additional research would be warranted. https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2021/12/organ-the-2021-law-school-transfer-market.html : TaxProf Blog: Organ: The 2021 Law School Transfer Market
What GPA do you need to transfer to Harvard Law?
Final Verdict: How to transfer into Harvard University – Let’s wrap up everything we’ve learned. If you still have questions about transferring, check out the Harvard University website for more info. Harvard University accepts 0.97% transfer applicants, which is competitive.
25th Percentile | 75th Percentile | Average | |
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SAT Math | 720 | 800 | 760 |
SAT Reading | 710 | 800 | 755 |
2018 Total SAT Score | 1430 | 1600 | 1515 |
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Harvard University’s average SAT score is 1515. To be a competitive applicant for Harvard University your SAT score should come close to the average – for the ACT you should be aiming for the equivalent. Harvard University chances calculator This free college chances tool calculates your acceptance chances at any other U.S.
Is it possible to transfer to Harvard Law?
Overview – Transfer admissions is an opportunity for rising 2L students to join the Harvard Law School community after completing their 1L year at another law school. We encourage all interested and eligible applicants to apply. The transfer application typically opens up in early May and the submission deadline is usually in mid-June.
Can you transfer into Yale law?
Transfer Students and Other Degrees – Students who have completed two semesters of study at another ABA-approved law school may apply to transfer to Yale Law School. Transfer students must complete at least four semesters of work at Yale Law School. In addition to the JD, Yale Law School offers a PhD in Law, designed to prepare JD graduates for careers in legal scholarship.
How hard is it to transfer law schools?
1L Grades – With the school component out of the way, the next step is to get good grades. Although your 1L GPA isn’t going to single-handedly make a transfer application, it is the component that can most easily break it. Simply put, first-year law students in the top 30% of their class can usually transfer to better schools, and students outside of that subsection generally can’t.
The students in the bottom 70% can make a lateral transfer—perhaps they’re unsatisfied with their current school, or a pressing situation is calling them to another part of the country—but will very rarely succeed in transferring to a higher-ranking law school. Even for the top 30%, though, placement is difficult, and students in the top 10% will obviously have an easier time transferring than students in the 11%–30% range.
Transferring law schools is competitive; the top schools are usually just trying to fill any open spots left by 1L students who dropped or failed out. Sometimes that number can be relatively high ( UCLA took on 24 transfers last year) and sometimes it can be low ( Cornell accepted just 4, Yale 12 ).
However, the median GPA for transfers to all three of those schools was high: for UCLA, a 3.81; Cornell, also 3.81; and Yale, a whopping 3.96! All of this is to say that the GPA is an extremely important component of a successful transfer law school application. It is the baseline—the price of admission.
Students aspiring to transfer law schools should therefore do everything they can to maximize their GPA. Contrary to what might be students’ first instinct, however, execution of a proper transfer GPA does not begin on the first day of classes, but rather on the first day of summer.
- Several optional summer preparatory classes are available to help aspiring transfer students boost their GPA to the right level.
- Students who take these classes are much less likely to experience 1L shell shock—the look that 1Ls get around halfway through their first semester, when they realize how much studying law school requires.
Even more significantly, students who complete prep classes are much more likely to be adequately prepared for their exams. That said, while the 1L GPA is important, it’s not everything, and it won’t win you a transfer all by itself. Think of your GPA as the absolute minimum required for your application—sort of a ticket to ride.
Is it worth transferring in law school?
If you’re a 1L and finally have your first semester of grades under your belt, you may be wondering about transferring law schools and whether it’s the right option for you. Generally, law students apply to transfer either during the second semester of their 1L year (for early admissions) or at the conclusion of 1L year.
- If you’re accepted as a transfer student via early or regular admissions, you continue your legal education as a 2L at the new school.
- Your first-year credits transfer to your new school, and your diploma is ultimately issued by the new school.
- But before you start filling out those application forms, you should put some serious thought into whether transferring law schools is right for you.
It’s a big decision—just like it was when you selected your original law school. Here are some things to consider. Your Grades If you’re hoping to transfer to a higher-ranked school (which is often the reason students consider transferring), you’ll need exceptional grades.
By now, you understand the nature and difficulty of the law school curve, and you know that “getting good grades” is not an easy feat. If you earned good grades your first semester, then transferring is a definite possibility. But you also can’t assume your grades will remain constant for another semester.
You still need to work hard to maintain top grades, and remember, your classmates who didn’t do as well first semester now have experience under their belts—in other words, competition is steeper. That said, you can use your current GPA as a best estimate for where you could be admitted as a transfer student.
- To determine whether a school is within your reach, find the school’s most recent ABA Standard 509 report.
- This report shows how many transfer students the school accepted in the previous cycle along with GPA percentiles—so you can approximate your chances.
- If you really blew it out of the water and received outstanding first semester grades, you may be able to apply for early admission at some schools.
Georgetown, the University of Chicago, USC, and Vanderbilt are some examples of law schools that offer early admission programs and don’t require second semester grades with your application. Your Career Goals Probably the most important factor to consider before transferring is what exactly your career goals are and how transferring will help you achieve them.
If you’re targeting BigLaw, school ranking could be a valid factor—generally speaking, the higher ranked a school, the more firms participate in the school’s OCI program, but it is certainly not the only thing to think about. For example, if you’re hoping to work in a certain geographic region, you may be better off staying at a school in that region than moving across the country to a school that doesn’t place as well in that region—even if the school is higher ranked.
With top grades, you’ll be a standout candidate at your current school, and you may actually have a better chance of landing your local dream job by staying. On the flipside, it may benefit you to transfer to a school that is in the specific region in which you hope to work.
Of course, it is also important to think big picture about your career path and how transferring may help you long term. If you’re not targeting BigLaw, then you’ll need to look at factors beyond the school’s OCI program. If the school you’re targeting has especially strong programming in your desired practice, it might make sense to transfer so you can graduate with a tailored resume.
Look into classes, practical experiences, certificate programs, and clinics offered in the area of law in which you’re interested. Remember that you’re not guaranteed to end up in a certain practice area just because it’s on your law school resume, though.
- Lawyering is a profession where you learn on-the-job, so your chances of landing your dream job may be just as good coming from your current school—even if it doesn’t offer niche, specialty programming.
- Your Financial Situation No matter what your reason for transferring, you’ll need to consider the financial implications of the decision.
At most law schools, transfer students are not eligible for scholarships the same way that incoming 1Ls are, and this can have a huge impact on your wallet (or your student loan balance). If you are receiving a partial- or full-tuition scholarship from your current school, consider whether a transfer is worth the financial burden of full sticker price for two years of law school.
- Whether it’s worth it will most likely correlate to your career goals.
- If you’re sure you want to work in a large law firm and the new school will significantly increase your chances of making it there, then it may be worth the transfer, knowing you can pay down the extra loans with that BigLaw paycheck.
But in other instances, you may want to rethink taking on all that extra debt. There’s not one right answer here—everyone has different goals and priorities. But you, at least, need to think through your financial situation and decide whether transferring comes at the right price for you.
- Your General Happiness There is a lot to be said about your surroundings and how they can make or break your everyday experience.
- Law school culture, colleagues, and physical location are all factors to consider while you’re weighing the transfer pros and cons.
- If you’re fundamentally unhappy where you’re at now, starting anew somewhere else could be a perfectly valid reason to transfer.
You may also have personal or family circumstances that give you no choice but to transfer. That said, remember that law school is temporary and is a crucial time for your career development. If you’re headed down the right career path at your current school, you may be able to tolerate less-than-ideal circumstances for two more years, knowing it will pay off in the long run.
- Only you know what you can tolerate, and what decision will best suit your well-being.
- Limitations vs.
- Gains as a Transfer Student One final consideration is what opportunities you might miss out on if you transfer to a new school versus which opportunities you may gain.
- At some schools, transfers are not eligible for programs like moot court or journals, while other schools include transfers on all journals and extracurricular activities.
Another area to look into are the clinic opportunities at each school and which best align with your future goals, Transfers students may not be eligible for certain honors, such as Order of the Coif or summa cum laude recognition at certain schools; yet, other schools may offer prestigious honors that you feel will be more impressive than those from your current school.
- Also, consider the types of internships you may be able to pursue during the school year at your current school versus potential transfer schools.
- Weigh the opportunities you may gain versus those you may lose if you transfer.
- How important are these opportunities as compared to your broader goals? You only have one chance at law school, so you should at least account for how important these opportunities are to you in the grand scheme of things.
Transferring is a big decision, but for many students, it’s the right one. Just be sure you’ve considered all angles before making the jump! – Download the new Vault Law app to prepare for your next law firm interview! Follow @VaultLaw on Instagram and Twitter !
Is it easier to get into law school as a transfer?
What Are the Odds of Being Admitted As a Transfer? – Many students who are considering transfers are confused about whether it is easier or not to be accepted into a school as a transfer student. Unfortunately, there is no one set answer for this, as your admission success depends heavily on the law school and what they look for in their transfer applicants.
That being said, there are some things that can improve your chances of being accepted as a transfer student. Make sure to keep your grades high, especially in your first semester of law school. You should also try to form positive connections with your professors in order to get quality letters of recommendation and participate in any extracurricular activities you have time for.
If you want to read more tips on succeeding in your transfer applications, check out,
Which Ivy League accepts the most transfers?
1. Can I Transfer to an Ivy League School from Community College? – Absolutely. Since 2019, a steady number of 200+ community college students have been able to transfer to Ivy League. Cornell University is said to accept the largest number of community college transfers.
Do Harvard lawyers make more money?
BY Sydney Lake June 24, 2022, 2:41 PM Running in John W. Weeks Bridge and clock tower over Charles River in Harvard University campus, as seen in August 2021 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. (Photo by: Sergi Reboredo—VW Pics/Universal Images Group/Getty Images) Harvard University is consistently recognized as both one of the most prestigious and competitive schools in the country including for its undergraduate, master’s, and doctorate degree programs.
In fact, Fortune ranks Harvard Business School as having the No.1 full-time MBA program in the U.S., and Harvard Law School also regularly tops the charts for its program. Both the Ivy League school’s MBA and law programs are highly ranked for good reason. Harvard graduates leave with ample job prospects and a starting salary to match.
In 2021, the $150,500 median starting base salary for MBA graduates was more than 30% higher than the national median of $115,000, according to statistics from the Graduate Management Admission Council ‘s most recent Corporate Recruiters Survey, HBS grads also made median signing and performance bonuses of $30,000 and $37,00, respectively.
That brings the total starting salary for HBS grads to $217,500. The school hasn’t yet released figures for its class of 2022. By comparison, grads of Harvard Law School snagged median starting salaries of $201,250 in 2021, compared with a national median for law school grads of just $75,000, according to the National Association for Law Placement,
In other words, Harvard Law School grads make almost three times more than the national median. As with any grad school decision, there are costs and benefits to earning either a law degree or an MBA. Fortune broke down the employment data for professionals considering either degree from Harvard.
What is the average salary of a Harvard Law graduate?
Law School Rankings by Median Salary
No. | Law School | Median Salary Public |
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1 | Harvard University | $60,000 |
1 | New York University | $60,000 |
1 | U. of California-Berkeley | $60,000 |
1 | U. of Texas-Austin | $60,000 |
Is a 3.5 GPA competitive for law school?
What is a good GPA to get into law school? – Only a very few law schools and colleges accept potential student candidates with an undergraduate GPA of 3.49 or lower. Most prestigious law schools require a GPA of 3.85 or higher. However, statistics show that some undergraduates have been accepted at Yale and Harvard with a GPA score of 3.56 and 3.50, respectively, although they likely had a higher LSAT score, excellent recommendations, and an optimal personal statement.
What is the lowest GPA law school will accept?
Yes, even with a low GPA, you can get into law school, and even to a top law school. – But first let’s talk about what it means to have a “low GPA.” If we’re talking about low GPAs, we need to figure out what that actually means. Unlike some obnoxious reddit users who call themselves a low GPA splitter when they have a 3.8 GPA, a low GPA doesn’t just mean a GPA you’re unhappy with. Source: https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index/1/desc/GPALow And the next chart shows the schools that accept the lowest GPAs :
Source: https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/1/asc/GPALow?name=&state= So generally, if you’re trying to get into the top schools, a GPA below 3.6 will be considered low. But to answer the question what GPA do you need to get into law school, any law school, then the answer is at least a 2.5.
That is realistically the lowest GPA you can have to get into law school. But even with a 2.5, you have an uphill battle to climb as that is in the lowest category of GPAs any school accepts. Ok great, you’re probably thinking, I have an OK GPA, it’s more than a 2.5, but it’s too low for my dream school still.
In this hyper competitive admissions environment, can I actually get into a law school where my GPA is significantly low for that school? Yes. And I can prove it to you. Ok, the good news is that even with a low GPA, however that is defined for you and your goals, you can still get into your dream law school.
Attending University of Michigan Law School, GPA range 3.84, LSAT median 171
D.O.3.2 GPA, 156 LSAT 3.2 vs 3.82 median
Attending S.J. Quinney School of Law, GPA median 3.82, LSAT median 163
M.H.3.0 GPA, 153 LSAT 3.0 vs.3.64 median
Attending University of Houston Law School, GPA median 3.64, LSAT median 161
E.C.2.8 GPA, 157 LSAT 2.9 vs 3.39 median
Attending Rutgers with scholarship, GPA median 3.39, LSAT median 157
T.S.3.0 GPA, 162 LSAT 3.0 vs.3.57 median
Attending American, GPA median 3.56, LSAT median 161
D.C.3.6 GPA, 170 LSAT 3.6 vs 3.85 median
Attending Georgetown, GPA median 3.85, LSAT median 171
I hope this convinces you. You CAN still go to law school with a low GPA.
What is the dropout rate for law school?
Law School Dropout Rates In this post, we are going to take a look at dropout rates for law schools. Dropouts are significant because generally, they mean one or both of a couple things: either the student feels him or herself unequal to the challenge presented by the law school environment, or the prospect of mounting debt and a poor employment outlook compel the student to bail out.
In either case, dropouts are left having paid a significant sum for no tangible benefit. Needless to say, in an ideal system there would be few to no dropouts. That isn’t the system we have. Although one part of the law school system, schools with high median LSAT scores, is functioning well, with minimal attrition, the rear of the pack is not.
As law schools generally lowered admissions standards in the decade since the recession, dropout rates increased. Stephanie Ward of the ABA gives us a good breakdown of figures from recent years: At law schools with median LSAT scores between 155 to 159, the average academic attrition rate for the 2014-2015 school year was 2.0 percent.
For the 2015-2016 school year, it was 1.8 percent. For law schools with median LSAT scores between 150 to 154, academic attrition for the 2014-2015 school year averaged out to 4.7 percent, and 4.6 percent for the 2015-2016 school year. At law schools with median LSAT scores below 150 but above 145, academic attrition went from 12.7 percent for the 2014-2015 school year to 14.3 percent for the 2015-2016 school year.
And among law schools where the median LSAT score was 145 or lower, the average academic attrition rate for the 2015-2016 school year was 25.3 percent. Although attrition is apparently stabilizing, these numbers should be of great concern to anyone thinking about attending a lower ranked school.
An LSAT below 150 may be a good indicator that someone is not sufficiently likely to benefit from attending law school, as there is a high chance of getting nothing for the effort. Taking a look at the data below, attrition is minimal through about the top 100 schools, then increases precipitously. Compare this list to our list of, and you’ll see an incredibly strong correlation between lower medians and higher dropout rates.
Though the ABA has failed to take significant action so far, there has been extensive discussion of schools with unacceptably high dropout rates losing accreditation.
Law School | 1L Dropout Rate % |
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Arizona Summit | 65.31% |
Florida Coastal School of Law | 38.68% |
North Carolina Central | 28.92% |
Thomas Jefferson School of Law | 26.51% |
University of San Francisco | 23.78% |
Capital University Law School | 23.27% |
Widener University | 21.09% |
Liberty University School of Law | 20.55% |
Atlanta’s John Marshall Law School | 19.44% |
Elon University School of Law | 18.84% |
St. Thomas (Florida) | 17.84% |
Florida A&M University Law | 17.57% |
California Western School of Law | 17.49% |
Ohio Northern University (Pettit) | 17.31% |
Southwestern Law School | 17.27% |
University of Dayton | 17.20% |
Faulkner University | 16.90% |
Nova Southeastern Law | 16.37% |
University of Massachusetts–Dartmouth | 16.25% |
Florida International University | 16.11% |
University of Memphis (Humphreys) | 15.89% |
Western State College of Law | 15.85% |
Ave Maria School of Law | 15.46% |
Howard University | 15.17% |
Golden Gate University School of Law | 15.05% |
Touro College Law Center | 14.69% |
UNT Dallas | 14.42% |
St. Mary’s University | 14.09% |
Western Michigan University (Cooley) | 13.97% |
South Texas College of Law | 13.85% |
Appalachian School of Law | 13.70% |
New York Law School | 13.26% |
University of the Pacific (McGeorge) | 13.16% |
Texas Tech University | 12.95% |
Regent University School of Law | 12.90% |
University of Arkansas—Little Rock | 12.86% |
Northern Kentucky University | 12.84% |
New England Law— Boston | 12.43% |
University of the District of Columbia | 11.83% |
Campbell University | 11.80% |
Suffolk University | 11.76% |
Syracuse University | 11.17% |
Georgia State University | 11.05% |
University of Missouri | 10.87% |
Duquesne University | 10.81% |
Mercer University (George) | 10.66% |
Texas Southern University Law | 10.55% |
University of South Dakota | 10.53% |
Southern University Law Center | 10.50% |
Concordia University School of Law | 10.42% |
Barry University | 10.29% |
Northern Illinois University | 10.20% |
Widener University Delaware | 10.19% |
University of Idaho | 9.91% |
Belmont University College of Law | 9.82% |
Oklahoma City University | 9.82% |
University of Toledo | 9.78% |
Texas A&M University | 9.42% |
Inter American University Law | 9.28% |
Seattle University | 9.14% |
University of Akron | 8.81% |
Southern Illinois University Carbondale | 8.77% |
Washburn University | 8.77% |
Charleston School of Law | 8.76% |
CUNY | 8.60% |
University of Arkansas—Fayetteville | 8.40% |
Mississippi College School of Law | 8.40% |
Cleveland State University | 8.33% |
University of San Diego | 8.33% |
Pepperdine University | 8.28% |
Case Western Reserve University | 8.21% |
Seton Hall University | 8.12% |
University of New Hampshire | 8.11% |
Lincoln Memorial University | 8.00% |
University of La Verne Law | 7.95% |
University of Denver (Sturm) | 7.66% |
Gonzaga University | 7.56% |
University of Baltimore | 7.54% |
Western New England University | 7.53% |
Roger Williams University Law | 7.45% |
Pace University | 6.85% |
Santa Clara University | 6.82% |
Hofstra University (Deane) | 6.80% |
Albany Law School | 6.67% |
Creighton University | 6.54% |
University of Detroit Mercy | 6.54% |
University of Kansas | 6.54% |
Brooklyn Law School | 6.50% |
Michigan State University | 6.39% |
Chapman University (Fowler) | 5.99% |
John Marshall Law School | 5.98% |
Drexel University | 5.96% |
Pennsylvania State University | 5.88% |
Catholic University of America | 5.83% |
Drake University | 5.83% |
Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago) | 5.68% |
Quinnipiac University | 5.60% |
LSU — Baton Rouge (Hebert) | 5.59% |
Loyola Marymount University | 5.21% |
Mitchell Hamline | 5.10% |
University of Oregon | 4.86% |
Marquette University | 4.84% |
St. Louis University | 4.76% |
Samford University (Cumberland) | 4.73% |
University of South Carolina | 4.65% |
Arizona State University (O’Connor) | 4.63% |
University of Nebraska—Lincoln | 4.55% |
Willamette University (Collins) | 4.55% |
Loyola University New Orleans | 4.52% |
University of Puerto Rico | 4.42% |
University of Tulsa | 4.26% |
University of Alabama | 4.03% |
Pontifical Catholic (Puerto Rico) | 4.00% |
University of California (Hastings) | 3.99% |
George Mason University | 3.98% |
Loyola University Chicago | 3.88% |
Vermont Law School | 3.73% |
Valparaiso University Law School | 3.57% |
University of Mississippi | 3.54% |
University of Maine | 3.53% |
Stetson University | 3.37% |
Southern Methodist University | 3.37% |
University of Illinois Law | 3.27% |
Yeshiva University (Cardozo) | 3.26% |
Ohio State University (Moritz) | 3.26% |
DePaul University | 3.21% |
Baylor University | 2.99% |
Brigham Young University (Clark) | 2.97% |
University of Nevada—Las Vegas | 2.86% |
University of Louisville (Brandeis) | 2.84% |
SUNY Buffalo Law School | 2.78% |
Temple University (Beasley) | 2.69% |
Washington University at St. Louis | 2.67% |
University of Kentucky | 2.65% |
University of California—Davis | 2.65% |
University of Georgia | 2.65% |
University of Oklahoma | 2.52% |
University of Tennessee—Knoxville | 2.44% |
Washington and Lee University | 2.44% |
University of California—Los Angeles | 2.38% |
University of North Carolina | 2.35% |
Villanova University | 2.29% |
George Washington University | 2.21% |
University of Utah (Quinney) | 2.20% |
University of Hawaii | 2.13% |
University of Pittsburgh | 2.13% |
Emory University | 2.10% |
University of Cincinnati | 2.08% |
Indiana University—Indianapolis | 2.08% |
University of Virginia | 1.88% |
University of Miami | 1.86% |
Indiana University—Bloomington | 1.85% |
West Virginia University | 1.83% |
University of Richmond | 1.74% |
Rutgers—Newark | 1.73% |
Florida State University | 1.68% |
University of Missouri | 1.64% |
University of Southern California | 1.60% |
University of Minnesota | 1.53% |
University of Iowa | 1.53% |
Tulane University | 1.44% |
Harvard University | 1.43% |
University of Wyoming | 1.39% |
Georgetown University | 1.37% |
Penn State Dickinson | 1.37% |
University of St. Thomas | 1.37% |
Wayne State University | 1.36% |
University of Florida | 1.33% |
University of Wisconsin | 1.32% |
University of California—Berkeley | 1.32% |
University of California — Irvine | 1.26% |
University of Arizona | 1.25% |
University of Michigan | 1.25% |
Fordham University | 1.22% |
St. John’s University | 1.20% |
Stanford University | 1.11% |
University of Colorado | 1.05% |
University of Notre Dame | 1.01% |
University of Maryland | 0.97% |
New York University | 0.94% |
University of Pennsylvania | 0.82% |
Boston College | 0.79% |
American University (D.C.) | 0.72% |
University of Connecticut | 0.69% |
University of Texas—Austin | 0.65% |
Wake Forest University | 0.64% |
University of Washington | 0.60% |
Lewis & Clark Law | 0.59% |
William and Mary | 0.54% |
University of Houston | 0.44% |
Boston University | 0.42% |
Columbia University | 0.26% |
University of Chicago | 0.00% |
Cornell University | 0.00% |
Duke University | 0.00% |
University of Montana | 0.00% |
University of New Mexico | 0.00% |
University of North Dakota | 0.00% |
Northeastern University | 0.00% |
Northwestern University | 0.00% |
Vanderbilt University | 0.00% |
Yale University | 0.00% |
Law School Dropout Rates
Is a 3.0 too low for law school?
What is the average GPA to get into law school? – Every individual applying to school for a law degree must have a 3.0 or higher GPA (grade point average). However, the top-rank law schools in the United States require a GPA median of 3.9 or higher, followed by second-tier and third-tier law schools that require 3.8 and 3.7 GPAs, respectively. The top law schools in the United States include:
Yale Law School Harvard Law School Stanford Law School University of Chicago Law School Columbia Law School NYU (New York University) Law School
Do law schools look at LSAT when transferring?
4. Forget the past – I personally do not believe that the LSAT is a good indicator of intelligence or potential law school success. However, the system is the way it is. Law schools publish their incoming class’ LSAT scores and that average is used as one of the ranking qualifiers to determine the school’s prestige.
Obviously then, schools will go out of their way to ensure they’re getting the highest LSAT scores possible from their candidates. For that reason, many law schools will offer merit scholarships to candidates with a high LSAT score, despite the remainder of their application appearing no different than anyone else’s.
With transfer students, LSAT scores are not factored into this average. This means that whether you received a 178 or a 149, your LSAT score will not affect the law school’s ranking. Finally, your LSAT score can stop haunting your dreams at night, just be sure you keep your 1L grades up.
Is it hard to flunk out of law school?
You and the Law | How to flunk out of law school Recently accepted by a mid-west law school, “Howard” wrote, “I never really studied much in college, cramming for tests and assume law school will be like that, but my wife tells me I will flunk out if I approach it that way.
- What do you say, Mr.
- Beaver?” I say, “You have a very intelligent wife.” Admission to law school does not guarantee that three years from now Howard will graduate and be admitted to the bar.
- The flunk-out rate for law students is in the range of 12-25%” says Lisa Blasser, a Claremont-based attorney, and author of “Nine Steps to Law School Success: A Scientifically Proven Study Process for Success in Law School.” So, what explains someone failing? “They simply are not taught how to study.
Law school is not like undergrad. A very different skill set is required to succeed. When law students don’t study properly, there is a good chance they’ll underperform and unfortunately, fail.” Blasser set out a by-the-numbers list of what a student has to do in order to flunk out of law school: 1.
- Apply to law school to make someone besides yourself happy.
- Consequences: Your heart won’t be in the game.
- You’ll be immersed in an extraordinarily difficult academic environment, lacking the internal motivation necessary to succeed.2.
- Lack passion to succeed.
- Consequences: You’ll lack the innate energy needed to get through that 60th hour of studying.
When studying becomes unbearable, it is critical to rely on the reason you are putting yourself through the trenches. Your passion is the fuel that carries you through those difficult moments.3. Think that studying in law school is similar to studying in college.
Consequences: Assuming you already know how to study actually limits opportunities for learning in law school. It is unlike any other academic experience and you need a linear, systematic study process to succeed.4. Think that you don’t need to create a study calendar. Consequences: Stress, anxiety, lack of sleep, guilt, no free time, being unaware of what you need to do to succeed every day, then failing your midterms and finals.
Sound fun? 5. Think that you can pull an all-nighter or cram for an exam. Consequences: You won’t have enough time to organize and articulate your thoughts in writing in a meaningful way on the exam. Success in law school does not stem from memorization and regurgitation.
Instead, success comes from having a deep understanding of the law and then applying the law to varying facts, all of which you have analyzed in detail prior the exam.6. Make it harder on yourself by not reading commercial outlines and supplements. Consequences: You will get frustrated reading archaic cases/terms and may miss the issue presented in the case.
Acclimate yourself to the facts, issue and outcome of a case by reading a simple overview of the case, that is drafted in layman’s terms, prior to reading the edited version in your textbook. Doing so saves time because you’ll already have an understanding of the main points, making it easier to connect the dots on the second read.7.
Select members of your study group who don’t possess the same passion to succeed that you do. Consequences: Study groups become more of a gossip fest, and waste of time. Associate with students who value their legal education and succeeding in law school just as much as you do.8. Maintain an empty happiness tank by ignoring family, not taking coffee breaks, skipping celebratory dinners, dropping loved ones and ignoring all of the things that make you feel human outside of law school.
Consequences: You’ll burn out quickly and face the possibility of anxiety and depression. Depression among law students is 8-9% prior to matriculation, 27% after one semester, 34% after two semesters, and 40% after three years.9. Set unrealistic goals for yourself.
Consequences: Getting a 4.0 is outside your control on the first day of class. What is within your control is accomplishing the set of tasks you assign yourself every day. The days will ultimately turn into weeks and before you know it, you will be in a place to achieve that 4.0 by completing those smaller, realistic daily goals.
Concluding our interview, she offers this encouraging advice to all law students: “Dig deep into your heart when law school gets tough. Believe that you are 100% capable of learning how to succeed and succeeding. Be kind to yourself when setbacks arise.
Do law schools Reject quickly?
Welcome to the latest installment of Law Admissions Q&A, a feature that provides law school admissions advice to readers who send in inquiries. If you have a question about law school admissions, email us for a chance to be featured in a future post. I submitted my law school application on Sept.1.
- My question is how long will the admissions committee usually take to respond to my application? Thank you for your time.
- JC Hats off to you for getting your apps in as early as possible! Most law school applications open in September, so you are clearly ahead of the crowd.
- Since law school admissions are rolling, it is a good idea to apply early in the cycle for your best odds.
This may be especially true this year. With a high number of applicants taking the online LSAT at home, there are signs that last year’s high tide of applicants may not recede quite yet. There is no fixed answer for how long it takes to hear back from law schools,
Generally, admissions offices start reviewing applications around October and aim to make decisions within six weeks. So the earliest you may hear back is likely mid-November. However, law school decisions often take an agonizingly long time. While most law schools issue the bulk of their decisions by early March, the most prestigious law schools, like Yale Law School and Stanford Law School, typically make decisions relatively late, in March or even April.
If you end up on any waitlists, you might not receive a yes or no until after the start of classes, although many decisions are made around May and June after accepted applicants put down seat deposits and withdraw their outstanding applications. If you apply early decision, you should receive an answer sooner.
Some law schools incentivize applying early by promising early applications will be reviewed within a specific time frame, like six weeks. However, since schools may merely defer early applicants to the general admission pool rather than accept or reject them, even applying early is no guarantee of a quick answer.
The disappointing truth is that even if you put in the work to complete your fall application checklist and get your applications out soon after they open, you may still have to dig in for many months of waiting. While a long wait may drive you up the wall, it is not necessarily a bad sign.
Is law school easier after the first year?
The second year (2L) – Well done! You’ve made it to your second year of law school. Most law students find their second year easier than their first. By the second year, you know what to expect and you know you’re capable of rising to the various challenges. Unfortunately, while most law students find their second year easier, they also find it busier,
What schools have the highest transfer acceptance rate?
Schools With Favorable Transfer Admission Rates
Rank | School | Transfer Accept % |
---|---|---|
1 | Emory | 33.7 |
2 | Vanderbilt | 17.6 |
3 | UNC | 46.9 |
4 | Georgia Tech | 40.7 |
Which University accepts most transfers?
Colleges with the Most Transfer Students
School | Location | Enrolled |
---|---|---|
National University | La Jolla, CA | 3,300 |
California State Polytechnic University-Pomona | Pomona, CA | 3,274 |
Texas State University | San Marcos, TX | 3,112 |
Eastern Illinois University | Charleston, IL | 2,871 |
What Major has the highest acceptance rate to law school?
Law Schools Want to Admit Well-Rounded Classes – Law schools strive to admit students from a variety of backgrounds and majors. Believe it or not, math and science majors tend to have extremely high admission rates to law school, Partially, this could be because those students who would choose to major in math or science and opt to go to law school are more academically gifted than the typical law school applicant.
- But it’s also because these types of applicants are much rarer.
- For example, since there aren’t many STEM majors who choose to go to law school, it can be a huge advantage to apply to law school with a STEM degree.
- Nowledge in almost any subject can be helpful in the legal profession because there are so many different types of lawyers,
If you’re extremely well-versed in ecology, law schools may view you as a potentially great environmental lawyer. If you’re an expert in chemistry, you might make an exceptional lawyer for a drug company. On the other hand, majoring in pre-law won’t help you stick out as an applicant, and it’s not as difficult for law schools to find applicants who majored in pre-law. You can study science and become a lawyer.
Which Ivy League accepts the most transfers?
1. Can I Transfer to an Ivy League School from Community College? – Absolutely. Since 2019, a steady number of 200+ community college students have been able to transfer to Ivy League. Cornell University is said to accept the largest number of community college transfers.